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reverse_oreo · Sep 26, 2006, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Ladder Correction Made

As you may be aware, we experienced some technical issues on Saturday. Consequently, we need to remove the results of approximately 13 hours of Guild Wars GvG battles that took place between 00:01 AM and 13:40 PDT on Sunday, September 24th. We decided to make this adjustment because the overall tournament ladder integrity was at risk. During a portion of the Guild Wars Nightfall event, a game error appeared that allowed battles to be won unfairly. A large number of the battles that took place during the hours in question were impacted by the error. The outcomes of those battles, if left intact, would have devalued all of the true GvG effort put in by so many guilds this season and would have threatened the integrity of the tournament ladder.

Since the removal of these games would have a mathematical effect on the results of each subsequent match, we have recalculated the point results of all battles that took place past after the reset on Saturday and have adjusted them.

We have an absolute commitment to take whatever means necessary to protect the tournament ladder and, by extension, to protect the results of all the hard-fought battles played. We apologize for any inconvenience that this removal may have caused.

We will continue to remain diligent to assure that a repeat of this weekend's incident does not take place.

Thank you for your understanding,

The Guild Wars Team

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gr3g · Sep 26, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

I find nothing to criticize here except your frownie in the thread subject.

Sinborn · Sep 26, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Who else frowns upon a rollback other than someone who ran the exploit? The legit players were losing to those teams, mind you.

explodemyheart · Sep 26, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by Sinborn

Who else frowns upon a rollback other than someone who ran the exploit?

Maybe someone who worked hard to improve their guild rank legitimately and actually did get somewhere?

Aphraelyn · Sep 26, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Not really especially when the bug abuse was used by.....quite a few people...

Really, I'm personally in favour of this rollback. Mind you, I don't think my guild GvGed in the past 13 hours so it doesn't affect me personally but still, good move by the GWteam imo o.o

Also...seeing as how bad the bug was...all it would be doing is messing up the ladder...which may result in some teams that don't deserve to get into the season finals getting in and all that...kinda...funny stuff...

Sinborn · Sep 26, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

Maybe someone who worked hard to improve their guild rank legitimately and actually did get somewhere?

Considering how dire the SoM exploit was, I would seriously doubt that teams would be going 'that' far up the win/loss ratio.

Nightsear · Sep 26, 2006, 04:03 AM // 04:03

As long as it doesn't affect it PvE-wise, I'm good.

Lady Frost Bite · Sep 26, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

there was a guild who ran this exploit and got all the way to rank 2. my guild came across this bug during a match and it cost us a -15 in rating so the roll back is a very good idea. reguardless of the fact that the guilds that used this skill would not be able to win against a top 10-20 team without makes no difference, some action needed to be taken, and i'm sure the guilds that are top 100 and lost major rank(due to a loss from rank 500 down) will accept this roll back with no problems.

Gaile Gray · Sep 26, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

If it helps, consider this: When we rolled out the ill-gotten wins, for the guilds that were cheating the system, we also rolled out the undeserved losses for guilds that were rolled by those using the exploit. When I realized that, I felt much better.

On another forum a member provided a chart showing net effects of the adjustment/rollback, and it's good to see that the majority of guilds did not have a net effect at all.

And in the end, I honestly and truly do not see a better solution to this problem. Do you?

Clinically Proven · Sep 26, 2006, 04:31 AM // 04:31

Perfect and timely solution thanks Anet

Ole Man Bourbon · Sep 26, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

I think we all should get free pie.

You ought to suspend the guilds that abused the glitch, as well.

Gaile Gray · Sep 26, 2006, 04:40 AM // 04:40

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Originally Posted by Ole Man Bourbon

I think we all should get free pie.

You ought to suspend the guilds that abused the glitch, as well.

Cake > pie. I can offer you chocolate with fudge frosting and those chocolate "ants" on it, will that do?

Our tournament coordinator did not elect to take action against any guild. I suppose if a review of the records encourages him to do so, he may still take steps against any offending guild. But at this point, no individual action has been taken.

Sinborn · Sep 26, 2006, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

If it helps, consider this: When we rolled out the ill-gotten wins, for the guilds that were cheating the system, we also rolled out the undeserved losses for guilds that were rolled by those using the exploit. When I realized that, I felt much better.

On another forum a member provided a chart showing net effects of the adjustment/rollback, and it's good to see that the majority of guilds did not have a net effect at all.

And in the end, I honestly and truly do not see a better solution to this problem. Do you?

If I figure one out, I'll be sure to send a glittering envelope. From what I gathered from other GvG participants that were undermined by the exploit, they expected the rollback and wanted it.

As for suspending guilds, is it really worth the time and effort to investigate every match that occured? There's a lot of eager beavers out there looking to get a glimpse of fame regardless if it was honorable or not.

Mass off-topic: Was Holy Haste inspired by Healbot or is it just a scary coincidence?

Gaile Gray · Sep 26, 2006, 04:52 AM // 04:52

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Originally Posted by Sinborn

If I figure one out, I'll be sure to send a glittering envelope. From what I gathered from other GvG participants that were undermined by the exploit, they expected the rollback and wanted it.

As for suspending guilds, is it really worth the time and effort to investigate every match that occured? There's a lot of eager beavers out there looking to get a glimpse of fame regardless if it was honorable or not.

Glad that it set right with you. I think it was the best of the options that we had.

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Mass off-topic: Was Holy Haste inspired by Healbot or is it just a scary coincidence?

Many many things are inspired by our players. Including certain adorable Monks.

I can't speak to that skill directly, but I can tell you that we're with you, daily, and like good friends always do, your thoughts, concerns, and general influence always rub off on us. If you see yourself in our game, you probably ought to give yourself a pat on the back.

Guinevere Ac · Sep 26, 2006, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Well tho i had fun seing some gvg played like that, ofcourse i perfectly agree with this rollback.
It influence many people as well as manipulate the ladder in a way that was not thought to be, or allowed. screwing customers is always bad, but when it's many people to be screwed there's surely the need to do something radical or expectional. Of course if it would just be one customers then leave him alone. is just 40$ of lost sales if he quits, so why caring.

that signet was hilarius to see this weekend

but what is right is right

Kook~NBK~ · Sep 26, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Cake > pie.

Not if it's fresh strawberry pie with whipped cream!

I applaud the decision to roll back the ladder. It was the best solution to a sticky situation. Many, many of those "guild battles" turned into a race to see who could wipe out the guild lord fastest and nothing more.

Red Locust · Sep 26, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

I think the biggest thing people got out of abusing signet of might was the crazy amount of faction/champ points gained from winning a high-ranked gvg every couple minutes. Losing a game or two will mean nothing for a guild's rating in the long run, tbh.

Pagan Greyfeather · Sep 26, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

It was an obvious exploit of a broken skill. Personally, I think the Guilds that ran it will self implode from guilt and the realization that without running the exploit they are, in fact, incapable of winning. But on the more important topic, carrot CAKE or pecan PIE. Hmmm. Tough choice there.

Clusmas · Sep 26, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

It is unfortunate that rating gain after the skill was fixed was lost as well.

Sinborn · Sep 26, 2006, 05:54 AM // 05:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pagan Greyfeather

It was an obvious exploit of a broken skill. Personally, I think the Guilds that ran it will self implode from guilt and the realization that without running the exploit they are, in fact, incapable of winning. But on the more important topic, carrot CAKE or pecan PIE. Hmmm. Tough choice there.

I avoid sweets. I opt for savory Frog Pie. We'll gain his supreme intellect and foresight. . . Not to mention all the digital babes/man-babes we could possibly gather with our new amphibian powers.

Now that we've veered off course, I think we've said all that has needed to be said. In the end, the true top-tier guilds will hit the top anyway, but the precautions made by A.net show that they are somewhat responsible, despite the glitches that occur. Such is the price of having a beta that influences the in-game product.